PODCAST: Noor Bin Ladin interviews Sean Stone, Richard Poe

by Richard Poe
Tuesday, March 5, 2024
6:57 am Eastern Time

Richard Poe

SUMMARY: Was Kissinger a double agent for the British? What about Kissinger’s protegé Klaus Schwab? Does Schwab work for the British too? In my latest podcast with Noor Bin Ladin, I join Sean Stone (author of New World Order: A Strategy of Imperialism) to explore the hidden power of Great Britain in world affairs, and, in particular, the role of the British Round Table Movement in giving us Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum. Taped February 12, livestreamed February 21, 2024.
— RICHARD POE

NOOR BIN LADIN CALLS… SEAN STONE AND RICHARD POE

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Exploring the British Question: Noor Bin Ladin Interviews Sean Stone and Richard Poe

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Noor Bin Ladin: Hello, everyone. Welcome to a new episode of “Noor Bin Ladin Calls.” I’m very very excited to be joined today by two very special guests, Richard Poe and Sean Stone. Let me introduce both of them to you before we get into the conversation.

Richard Poe is a bestselling author and investigative journalist. Many people know Richard as being one of the first people to expose George Soros and his color revolutions in his book The Shadow Party, co-written with David Horowitz, and in the Glenn Beck landmark series “The Puppetmaster.” Presently, Richard is writing a book on the history of globalism, and has a Substack, RichardPoe.Substack.com, with such articles as, “How the British Invented George Soros,” “How the British Caused the American Civil War,” and “How the British Invented Communism (And Blamed it on the Jews).”

And the audience, of course, is familiar with Richard, as we’ve done a few episodes before.
[1:07 minutes]

Which brings me to Sean, who is a first-time guest, a very special guest. I’m really happy that he’s joining us. Sean is a filmmaker, media host, author, actor, poet, speaker, and, above all, a truth seeker and spiritual activist.

He has worked with his father, filmmaker Oliver Stone, on several films and series, but has also directed and produced his own, including A Century of War, Hollywood DC, and Best Kept Secret, on the Western elite’s manipulation and control of humanity, covering topics like human trafficking, pedophilia, and Satanic politics.

His book, New World Order: A Strategy of Imperialism, delves into the British origins of globalism, an area where his research coincides with Richard’s, and this is the reason why I wanted to have this chat today with the both of you, so that we can explore the hidden power structure that runs our world.

So, welcome to you both and thank you for joining me.
[2:18 minutes]

Sean Stone: Of course.

Richard Poe: Thank you.

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Noor Bin Ladin: So, Sean, shall we kick off the conversation with you, and start with your book, New World Order? How would you summarize your book for the audience, if you could start with that?

Sean Stone: I would say that it’s about, um, it started as an investigation into Henry Kissinger’s mentor at Harvard, a professor there by the name William Yandell Elliott. He was professor emeritus in the politics department for like 40 years at Harvard and was really a staple there. He taught even, like, John F. Kennedy and many people that came through to study politics took classes with him, right? Trudeau’s father Pierre.

But he was much more of an influence, a direct influence and mentor to Kissinger. Also somewhat to Brzezinski a little bit, and also to Sam Huntington, more so.

So understanding the influence, I was starting this research when I was doing my thesis at Princeton for my bachelor’s in history, I had to do a thesis, so I was curious about the dissemination of ideas, you know, political ideology and whatnot, and how, essentially how people were influenced, how ideas are expressed and influence the dynamics of politics and also, beyond politics, how it connects to the world of business and intelligence, because Elliott is someone, if you look at, he was a CIA guy, he was an advisor to the Rockefellers, he was an advisor to presidents, you see, so he was someone that was a very interesting connection between these different worlds.
[4:15 minutes]

And not to say that he was a power broker, but certainly someone of intellectual influence, and his own intellectual pedigree came from being—I don’t want to misspeak—I think he was a Rhodes scholar, but, if not a Rhodes scholar, he was certainly trained at Oxford, under one of the people within the Round Table groups, and Carroll Quigley does a great job in his work, in multiple books, talking about how the Rhodes, Cecil Rhodes Trust and scholarships and establishment of a certain group of people they called the Round Table, right, they actually had like magazines and things ike this, but they were basically a think tank, you could say, within the British Establishment, at the end of the 19th Century to the early 20th Century, so one of the people within that group was a mentor, a direct mentor to Elliott, who then became a mentor to Kissinger.
[5:16 minutes]

So again, I was trying to understand, what is this Anglo-American pedigree, you could say, within the Establishment? And this is what the book gets into, is how much America has shifted away from its, you could say, from its founding principles, right? The George Washington Farewell Address, the idea that the United States should have no entangling alliances, how is it that we fell into this special relationship with the British Empire?
[5:43 minutes]

And many people would say we became the inheritors of the British Empire. Well, that ideology is not necessarily truly American, in the republican tradition of the, the republican spirit of the Constitution. It’s become, but it’s become normalized, essentially.
[6:01 minutes]

And now they use words like globalization, but essentially they’re masking what is an Anglo-American imperial dogma. The British themselves called it a New World Order. It’s basically saying, well, the British Empire can’t, doesn’t have the manpower to garrison, you know, troops across a quarter of the planet. We need to make this a more benign, you know, the appearance of being benevolent, right? Call it the Commonwealth, and then let’s shift America and bring America into it and create a new order of more global government, and that’s, you know, New World Order was, H.G. Wells wrote a book about it, right? It was the concept of incorporating the colonies into this structure of monetary imperialism, the same legal structures, right? I mean, what is the bar, if not the British, um, what is it? British authority? Richard? It’s the British Accreditation Registry, I believe, right? The BAR.

Richard Poe: I don’t know. Sorry.

Sean Stone: Yeah. Oh yeah yeah.

Richard Poe: [Chuckles]

Sean Stone: I think it’s the British Accreditation Registry. The BAR itself is a British legal structure, right?

Richard Poe: Mm-hm. I’ve read that, I…

Sean Stone: Yeah. So utilizing, you know, British legal structures, monetary structures, you know, you could say the Bank of England, right, as a prime example of an independent private bank that lends money to the government and whatnot. So all of these different systems of power that essentially have, you could say, it’s a representation of power that has been pushed across the planet under the pretense of western civilization and culture, and yet, when you really understand that it’s a small group of people that are the administrators of this transnational state, this transnational system of power, and, yeah, trying to basically get a hold of how these conspiracies work, at a level of ideology, right, at the idea that people will go along with it, so long as it has the color of being for your best interests, right, as long as it has the color of being democratic, right, or, as you’ve talked about with the color revolutions, right, we’re responding to the will of the people. But ultimately there is a select group of people who have more influence, more power, more access to government that are oftentimes the ones creating the archetypes by which the rest of us go along, let’s say, proceed, operate.
[8:38 minutes]

Noor Bin Ladin: Now, uh, you mentioned… please, Richard, you want to jump in?

Richard Poe: Well, I just wanted to say, just to put your book in context, Sean, for the audience, you know, your book has been kind of a sleeper. It came out in 2012, but I think it’s really just finally starting to come to people’s attention now, and it’s proving to be very very influential.

There’s a UK researcher named Johnny Vedmore who, and it was through him that I actually became aware of your book, and he’s doing a series of articles now about the origin of the World Economic Forum, and he’s using your book as a springboard to that.

He basically started with your discovery, or your new appreciation of the fact that this William Yandell Elliott was actually Kissinger’s mentor, and that William Yandell Elliott was, of course, one of the leading, founding members of the British Round Table group. Although he was an American, he was part of this British group whose purpose was actually to merge the United States into the British Empire, to bring us back within the British system.

So, I think, I don’t know if you’d agree with this, my exact words here, Sean, but it seems to me, from what you wrote, you did address some of the British intelligence connections of this William Yandell Elliott, to the extent that it might not be inappropriate to suggest that he himself was a British agent or perhaps a double agent of the British, as well as being one of the earliest members of the CIA, in the United States.
[10:38 minutes]

So basically what we’re looking at is a network of Anglophilic statesmen, opinion leaders, important VIPs of various sorts, who have, at best, a divided loyalty, but primarily seem to be loyal to the British, or to this British idea, this Round Table idea of bringing the US back into the British fold, undoing the damage of 1776, the way they see it.
[11:17 minutes]

So I think what’s happening, largely because of Johnny Vedmore—I don’t know if you know him—but he discovered your book and he learned (apparently from your book), that this William Yandell Elliott, with his Round Table connections, was actually the mentor of Kissinger, and then he learned further that Kissinger was the mentor of Klaus Schwab, through what he calls a CIA-directed program at Harvard, I think it’s called the, um…

Noor Bin Ladin: International Seminar.

Richard Poe: Right, the International Seminar. And Kissinger apparently started this, or actually he was given credit for starting it, but, interestingly, in Johnny’s latest article, he actually has some correspondence between Kissinger and his mentor Elliott, in which Kissinger says, “I’m really a little embarrassed that I’m being given credit for this, because we all know you’re the one who actually started the whole thing. And so this Elliott…

Sean Stone: Yes.

Richard Poe: …whom you correctly focused on, you correctly identified this guy as being the most important figure to focus on, he was actually the one, not Kissinger, who started this International Seminar, and it was from this seminar that, through this seminar that Kissinger mentored Klaus Schwab, created the World Economic Forum, which we’re now dealing with today. It’s in everybody’s face, trying to tell us how to live our lives, and so forth.
[12:58 minutes]

So, um, I know one of the things on your bio is that you’re a spiritual activist and, to me, it is almost a spiritual thing, it’s a very fateful thing that you emerged and identified, in your very first book, such an important connection, back in 2012, and then it kind of slept for awhile, people didn’t pick up on it, and, all of a sudden, now, I think it’s starting to find its traction, because now, you know, in 2012, nobody knew who Klaus Schwab was or cared. Who could imagine that the WEF was going to be so powerful and we’re all going to have to obey them?
[13:46 minutes]

Sean Stone: Yup.

Richard Poe: And there is something spiritual about the fact that somebody, somewhere in this universe, decided you’re going to write this book, and somehow presciently you understood who to focus on. And now Johnny Vedmore has picked up on it and I think you’ve provided a focus that a lot of researchers are going to be able to work from, to figure out what’s really going on in our world today, which is so baffling and puzzling to most of us.
[14:20 minutes]

Sean Stone: Well, yeah, I mean, I remember the International Summers, I mean, a lot of what Elliott was talking about was essentially the precursor to the Trilateral Commission. I think I put that in the book…

Richard Poe: Yeah.

Sean Stone: He was talking about basically bringing the Round Table system from the British to America, right, where you have this…

Richard Poe: Mm-hm.

Sean Stone: …this elite group of intellectuals and business people coming together, essentially, right, to kind of figure out a pathway forward, and there was Trilateral, there was also Bilderberg, um, which, Bilderberg is still operating in a much more secret way, more clandestine way than the WEF even, right, and I think all these things have slowly been exposed for what they are. At the same time, we’re in an interesting dynamic where, at one level, it’s like it’s clear that you got the World Economic Forum and these other groups that are trying to say, well, we want world government, this is our agenda, and, I think we’re past the point of hidden conspiracy. We’re at the place where people are actually acquiescing to the conspiracy.

Richard Poe: Hm.

Sean Stone: That’s what I find is interesting about where we are in the modern world, you see. You have half the planet that if you said, hey, Satan is your ruler, they would say yeah, that’s cool. Yeah, we want the freedom to worship Satan. [Laughs] Right? And so that’s kind of the way…

Richard Poe: Mm-hm.

Noor Bin Ladin: It’s in our face. What you just said, Sean…

Sean Stone: It’s in our face.

Noor Bin Ladin: …is so true. It’s in our face.

Sean Stone: I mean…

Noor Bin Ladin: The SuperBowl happened just last night, and it was front and center.

Sean Stone: Well, what’s fascinating about the SuperBowl is, people like myself have been talking, you know, for years, about the ritual symbolism going on in the Superbowl. Now it’s like, you know, a lot conservatives and others are going, oh shoot, we get it. They’re like, I mean, Taylor Swift and the lady next to her has literally got her, you know, doing this thing [makes horn sign with hands] and she’s doing her little motions of energy work and perhaps witchcraft and whatnot. And then the liberal media’s going ha-ha, you guys are so crazy, you think that Taylor Swift is a Satanist, or she’s, whatever, she’s the Devil, and it’s like, uh, you guys really wouldn’t care. That’s the funny thing. Like, the liberal mindset really wouldn’t care if she was a devil. They would be just like, eh, she’s cool. [Laughs] Leave her alone. I love her. [Laughs]
[16:31 minutes]

Richard Poe: Hm.

Noor Bin Ladin: Yeah, we’ve been conditioned to arrive at this point where a large part of society is just oblivious to actually what is going on. It was designed that way.

Sean Stone: Or they don’t care.

Noor Bin Ladin: Mm.

Sean Stone: It’s like there’s an obliviousness, but there’s also, I think, there’s like a deeper level of apathy.

Noor Bin Ladin: Mm-hm.

Sean Stone: That’s what I find. I find that there’s the level now where we’re at, which is, it’s like, do you choose to kick the money changers out of the Temple? Oh no, don’t rock the boat. That’s distressing. I don’t want that. I’d rather just ignore it. [Laughs]

Noor Bin Ladin: That’s a good analogy.

Sean Stone: Right.

Richard Poe: Well, Sean, I was, you know, it’s so impressive to me that your book focused so tightly on the figure of William Yandell Elliott. I mean, it’s such a bullseye. Who even ever heard of this guy before? How did you get onto this? How did you learn about him, and what made you realize he was important enough to basically write a whole book about?
[17:35 minutes]

Sean Stone: Sure, sure. That came from Executive Intelligence Review.

Richard Poe: Hm.

Sean Stone: Their work. Like Jeffrey Steinberg, people like that, who obviously were doing really good research, and they’d written, they had basically written something in the wake of 9/11, kind of a, trying to look into the neocon, trying to assess the neocon ideology, right? And you get people like, uh, what, Scoop Jackson in Congress was close to some of those neocon guys and then they were kind of trying to, they were always very good at researching the lineage of people, right, who people trained under, what were their philosophical orientations, and so, because Elliott taught Brzezinski and Kissinger, I mean, that’s an interesting figure alone, right? Two of the, the two major foreign policy gurus, of Democrat and Republican Party, right? Brzezinski for the Democrats, Kissinger for the Republicans, basically from, what, from ’68, all the way to 1980, and then Kissinger obviously still becomes an eminence grise and Brzezinski becomes an eminence grise thereafter, so the guy that taught them both, you have to wonder, right, who is he?
[19:02 minutes]

Richard Poe: Hm.

Noor Bin Ladin: And so you mentioned, Sean, you started delving into this subject matter during your years at Princeton, and it was initially the basis for your thesis, this research.

Sean Stone: Yeah. Yeah, that was my thesis work, yeah.

Richard Poe: Uh, you… I’m sorry.

Noor Bin Ladin: No, please go ahead, Richard.

Richard Poe: Are you sure?

Noor Bin Ladin: Yes, I’m sure.

Richard Poe: Okay. Um, I just wanted to pick up on the, you said you had learned about Elliott through Executive Intelligence Review. Now, I used to subscribe to that publication back in the ‘90s. I’m pretty familiar with the whole LaRouchian opus, and what they teach. I don’t particularly remember anything about Elliott, though. Are there particular articles or writers who were addressing that, that you accessed?

Sean Stone: Well, as I’m saying, the Executive Intelligence Review, they used to publish, I mean, monthly, if I, at least, if I recall, monthly…

Richard Poe: Maybe weekly. I’m not sure.

Sean Stone: Maybe even weekly. I mean, they published a lot. And so, again, I mean, this was 2005-6, 2005 probably that I read it, so I don’t remember what publication it was, but they did a lot of publications, obviously, besides the very good book Dope, Inc., which is a must read.

Richard Poe: Mm-hm.

Sean Stone: Um, so yeah, I don’t remember which journal, which particular journal it was, amongst the probably thousands that they published.

Richard Poe: Mm-hm. Okay. I’m sorry, Noor.

Noor Bin Ladin: No, no. Please don’t apologize. I have a question for the both of you, because I really enjoy reading historical accounts, and I’m fascinated by the history of the United States, in particular, and this aspect of it, where there was a clear effort to reintegrate the United States of America into the British Empire, and I’ve learned so much about this topic with you, Richard, over the years, and I wanted to know, both of you, as Americans, how do you view this effort that has been ongoing essentially since 1776, since the nation was declared independent, there’s been an effort to infiltrate and subvert the US from within.
[21:47 minutes]

Sean Stone: Richard, you should start with that.

Richard Poe: [Laughs] I was hoping you would start with it. After all, you’ve written a book on the subject.

Sean Stone: Well, again, I would say I’m curious to hear your perspective, only because I know my perspective but I don’t know yours. [Laughs]

Richard Poe: Okay, well, basically, it looks to me as if the British never accepted the American Revolution, they never accepted the outcome of it, and that their consistent policy ever since, let’s say, the Battle of Yorktown, has been to try to find other ways to regain control and regain some kind of colonial hold over the United States. And there have been various forms of economic warfare, for example, right from the beginning, right after the signing of the Paris Peace Treaty of 1783, the British immediately started a dumping campaign, dumping very low-priced, artificially low-priced goods into the US market, to such an extent that they utterly destroyed the fledgling US economy, which was just starting to get on its feet.
[23:25 minutes]

And this is a subject, I wrote in some detail about this in an article called, “How the British Caused the American Civil War,” and the reason the Revolution was relevant to that is because I see the Civil War as being a continuation of the Revolution, and it was fought for the same reasons, this same reason of economic control.

Basically, my position is that there were three wars of independence. There was the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, and the Civil War, and all three of these wars were fought against the same enemy, in my opinion, and for the same reason, because the British were trying, in different ways, to reestablish the, sometimes it’s called the mercantile trade relationship, with the colonies, which they had had prior to the Revolution.

And this was a relationship, it was legally enforced through the so-called Trade and Navigation Acts, but basically what it did is it forbade the American colonies to engage in any kind of manufacturing, on any level, of any kind of good whatsoever, from nails to clothing to anything, no manfactures for export whatsoever, and very few even for home use, for our own use.

And saying that there could be no manufactures for export also meant exporting from one colony to another. This too was forbidden. Strictly regulated. And so the result of this Trade and Navigation Act—which, by the way John Adams said was the cause of the Revolution, he famously said if you want to know why we fought a revolution, look up the Trade and Navigation Acts, because that was the reason.
[25:25 minutes]

So the whole point was to try to win the right to develop as a modern economy, with our own manufacturing, instead of having to artificially be a colonial area that only produced food and raw materials, sent them to the mother country, and then had to buy manufactured goods from England. Because food and raw materials are very cheap. We would sell them cheaply to England. England then would sell manufactured goods back, which of course were very dear, very expensive.

And so, according to the analysis by Henry Carey, the great American economist—he was Abraham Lincoln’s most trusted and important economic advisor, Henry Carey—and he wrote famously that this mercantile relationship with England caused a 10-to-1 trade imbalance in England’s favor, against us, which was consistent throughout almost the entire period of the colonial, uh, the colonial period of the Thirteen Colonies.

And so, this is a tremendous bloodletting, a tremendous hemorrhaging of our work and our resources, and, even after the Revolution, when we supposedly gained our independence, the British continued suppressing our trade by other means, such as I described, the dumping of artificially underpriced goods, to undercut our homemade goods.

And so the trade imbalance, again, according to Henry Carey, continued, after the Revolution, to be about 3-to-1, in favor of the British, and that was still catastrophic. And, as a result of that trade war, which they immediately implemented, after signing the peace treaty, they almost completely destroyed our country.
[27:33 minutes]

And this is why we had the so-called Shays Rebellion break out in Massachusetts, because the British trade war against us caused such a catastrophic collapse of the economy that the colonies were all fighting against each other, people were taking up arms to rebel against the system, and there was this massive rebellion in Massachusetts led by a former Revolutionary officer named Shays, a very serious situation, many of the new states wanting to secede, and it was for this reason that we got a constitution, because the Founding Fathers got together and they realized we are not yet independent. We fought this war against the British, but they still have the power to keep, to maintain their colonial monopoly, to prevent us from funding and creating our own manufacturing base, and to keep us under their economic subjugation.
[28:43 minutes]

And, please, either one of you cut me off, if I start to get boring. I, I mean, seriously, but…

Noor Bin Ladin: That’s the last thing you are, Richard.

Richard Poe: Thank you, thank you. To me, this is very important, for several reasons. One, because very few Americans know this. We’re not taught it in school. Even when I was a kid, we weren’t, and, you know, that was in the 1960s. So that’s one thing. It’s not known, this problem with the trade war.

But also because now, on Twitter, on the X platform, we have a lot of people saying, and quoting Benjamin Franklin, to this effect, saying, well, the reason problem was the banking system, that the British were not allowing us to use colonial scrip, they were not allowing us to use our own currency, and they were forcing us to use the British currency from the Bank of England. And Benjamin Franklin said, well, this was the cause of the Revolution.

Now, that’s great. Both of those things are important. Banking and finance is important. Trade is important. But I happen to believe that the balance of trade is a more important issue, because trade is about real things. It’s about how people are actually going to be occupied in the country. What work are we going to do? What goods are we going to manufacture? Who are we going to sell these goods to? And these are physical goods, they’re physical objects, and they are directly concerned with how we are going to survive, and how we’re going to maintain ourselves as human beings, as families, as a nation.
[30:40 minutes]

Trade is everything. Trade and manufacturing, whereas banking is really about debt. Banking doesn’t make anything except debt. It creates debt, and then it demands collateral, if you can’t pay your debt. Then they can take your house, they can take your goods, they can take your factory, and that’s the collateral.

But the collateral is the real economy. It’s the real stuff that the people create. It’s the real wealth that the people create.

Banking is just a way for bankers to try to get their hands on your collateral.

So I’m just saying that I see, for some reason, that there’s a tremendous focus on banking. And that’s good. People need to learn about banking, and they need to understand how important it is. But my feeling is that banking is simply about creating debt, and debt is really not the ultimate power. The ultimate power is to control trade.

And so, if it’s a choice between Benjamin Franklin saying it’s all about banking, it’s all about debt, or John Adams saying, no, it’s all about trade, it’s all about the Trade and Navigation Acts, here we have two of the Founding Fathers, one of them saying it was about banking and currency, one of them saying it was about trade, well this is a very significant issue, in my opinion, which somehow must be resolved or harmonized, and so I’m delving into this and trying to figure out, because I don’t know the answer.
[32:25 minutes]

And these subjects aren’t taught to us in school. We don’t learn about these things, you know, again, even back when I was a kid, when education was still fairly traditional. God knows what they teach in school nowadays, I can’t even imagine. But, um, so that’s what I’m trying to look at.

And it seems to me that, well, it doesn’t just seem to me, I mean, I could cite you books. For example, there’s one called The Unfinished American Revolution by a guy named, I think, Sam Haynes. And he says that the US economy was basically under the control of England, primarily—now he was talking about the banking aspect—he was saying that the Bank of England was able to set interest rates in the United States, to such an extent that, at will, the British could make or break our economy, by raising and lowering the interest rates. They could create panics at will. They could create booms and busts at will. And, if you have that power over another country, then that country is basically your vassal. It is your property, your colony.
[33:42 minutes]

So, to answer your question, Noor, I think it was your question, or no, it was Sean’s question, um, I think that the British, more than any other country, in modern times, certainly, have vast experience and expertise in how to control other countries. And there are many many different ways of doing it. And they have been practicing these methods on the United States of America, ever since the colonial times, and they didn’t stop after the Revolution, and they’re still doing it today, in my humble opinion, and so I’m trying to explore all the different ways in which they’re still exercising this hidden power, this hidden control.
[34:34 minutes]

And, like you, Sean, I learned a lot from the Larouchians, the Executive Intelligence Review. They did a lot of important and pioneering work, and they still are. I don’t agree with them on everything.

You know, one of the interesting things about them, the Larouchites, people don’t realize, is that they’re actually a leftwing movement, in my opinion. They believe Franklin Delano Roosevelt was, is their great hero, and the New Deal.

Sean Stone: Right.

Richard Poe: And Larouche himself was actually a Trotskyite…

Sean Stone: Yeah.

Richard Poe: …until the 1970s, and then he changed to being whatever he became. But they’re always slammed as being fascists, and even anti-Semites, which is another thing they absolutely are not, as far as I can tell…
[35:31 minutes]

Sean Stone: One time I had a very funny experience where I went, I introduced one of my friends, Steinberg, who works for the EIR, he’s one of the chiefs there, and I introduced him to someone, and I was accused, oh, Larouche is anti-Semitic. I said, well, the guy I introduced you to is Jewish. [Laughs] So what are you talking about? It’s like, it’s so crazy, right?
[35:56 minutes]

Richard Poe: Mm.

Sean Stone: But that’s usually the attack that they do, the left-liberal establishment does, is to accuse any conspiracy theorist of being on the right, for some reason, even though a lot of the conspiracies come from the left, but I think they don’t want you to look at that, right? They want you to kind of…

Richard Poe: Right.

Sean Stone: …be painted as a right-winger, for some reason, or now what they call far right. Or alt-right. And it’s all been, again, like you said, it’s all so manufactured, as far as this narrative, because, like you just mentioned, Roosev… uh, Larouche and company were very much Democrat. He ran for Democrat, I think, to be president, in the Democrat Party. I’m sorry, he ran on the Democrat ticket, and he ran people on the Democrat ticket. And he wanted to be run for president as a Democrat. You know that.

Richard Poe: Mm-hm.

Sean Stone: But he got attacked, and, basically, you could say, railroaded by the Republican establishment, by Bush and company, and Kissinger and company, very much, you know, I would say that now, for example, Bobby Kennedy is dealing with, the Democrats are coming after him, right? I’ve heard that they’re going after him because they’re saying his SuperPac is too intimately connected, but you know how the Democratic Party worked. It was corrupt against Bernie Sanders, right? It was corrupt when it wanted Obama to beat Hillary. So the parties, as we know, are very much conspiratorial organizations of control. And if anyone comes in to try to change the narrative, like a LaRouche or a Bobby Kennedy, they’re called extremists, who knows, Kennedy’s called, I guess he’s called alt-right. I don’t know what they call him, because he’s not exactly a right-wing guy, right? He’s very much, Bobby Kennedy is much more in that tradition, of the FDR, JFK tradition.

But, like you, I am critical, I don’t know if you are critical, I’m critical of FDR. I think that, at some levels, he was a wonderful politician, very smart, but he basically put us into a state of permanent emergency, in ’33, with the Banking Acts and basically the national emergency declared during the New Deal. We have been in a state of constant emergency. They took the gold away. They put everything into this promissory note system that we’re operating in now, right, the Federal Reserve Notes and whatnot. All this is a promissory note system that’s debt-based, and, rather than radically restructuring the financial system, you know, going after the roots of the Federal Reserve, I mean, he did none of that, basically. He preserved the Federal Reserve’s hold and basically kicked the can down the road and put us all into this administrative state that we now live in, where the federal government’s out of control.
[38:38 minutes]

And it goes back, I think, to the Civil War, before that. Actually, I think if people really understood the Civil War, it’s not the South as the bad guy. The British had both sides. The British had…

Richard Poe: Hm.

Sean Stone: …had infiltrated both sides, North and South, north through the financial sector, the merchants, as you know, all the merchant families that were involved in the slave trade, and the same traffic, whether it was slave or opium, right, or mercantiles, all these big, how do you say, these big mercantile families that were very connected to the centers of finance in England. You know, that’s where J.P. Morgan came out of. That’s where the Rockefellers got their financing from. So what you’re talking about with the British hold over the banking was critical.

And they wanted to [backseat?] create a conflict and a war in America that should never have been. The truth is, states’ rights should have been preserved, and, to me, the biggest sin of the Civil War was losing states’ rights, going into this idea of basically the federal government having, because the federal government occupied the south, I think, ever since then, we’ve basically been under this notion of occupation of territories by the federal government, you see.
[39:56 minutes]

Some people looked at this in more detail. But the point being, as an ideology, it was basically saying, okay, now the federal government is supreme, and that’s why we are in this globalist trajectory. You see, we’ve surrendered too much of our power to the federal system of power, and it got preserved and perpetuated under FDR, and I think this is the root of what we’re facing now, is, can we come back to a republic…
[40:22 minutes]

Noor Bin Ladin: Mm-hm.

Sean Stone: …where the power restr within the people, and the states, basically, but within the people, fundamentally, and not within the federal system, which has done everything to turn us on our head, to basically make us dependent on the administrative state, to disempower us, to make us believe that the federal government has the right to tell us what to do.
[40:41 minutes]

And I think COVID exposed it for what it was, and it woke a lot of people up, for that reason, because they thought, wait a minute, this is supposed to be a free country, and now you’re telling me that you have the authority to tell me whether or not I can do business, and whether or not I can go out without wearing a mask on, or socialize, congregate. It was like, we realized that our rights had been stripped. Our Bill of Rights, which was just to say, hey, these are the rights that you have, but every right that we don’t stipulate is still guaranteed to you the people, and the fact that it had been taken away by the federal system of power, and then the consolidation of that federal system within these all-caps states, which are essentially appendices, like incorporations, of the federal government.
[41:20 minutes]

We realized we gotta get our power, we have to take our power back. That’s the only way.

Richard Poe: Well, you know, I guess I’ve reached a point in my life where I don’t know what the solution is anymore. I used to, when I was younger. I used to have opinions about that.

Now I’m more asking questions, because really, I honestly don’t know what the answer is.

But when I see things that are lies, when I see things that are being covered up, and misrepresented, and just outright lied about, I try to look into that and try to find out what the truth is, because I feel—and this gets maybe into the area of spirituality again, and being a spiritual warrior or a spiritual activist—but I believe the truth has a power all its own, that, whatever your ideological beliefs are, or whatever theories you might have about what’s wrong and how to fix it, if you are focused on telling the truth and debunking the lies and seeing through the lies and finding out what’s really going on, I think that a great power comes to your assistance.
[42:45 minutes]

There’s a miraculous and a magical power in the truth. The truth has a power all its own. And it is the most powerful force in the world.
[43:03 minutes]

And so that’s what I try to focus on now. And I also try to keep my focus very narrow, in terms of my subject matter, because, well, I’m not as young as I used to be. I’m not as much of a multitasker. I try to focus us on one thing at a time, step by step.

And I just see this remarkable fact that Americans have very little hard knowledge, hard factual knowledge, about why we fought the Revolution, what were the actual issues, why did we fight the war of 1812, why did we fight the Civil War, why did we get the Federal Reserve System in 1913, why did we go to war in World War I?
[43:54 minutes]

We all studied history, and the answers are not there.

Instead, our history has been distorted and there’s a lot of lies, and a lot of things that are not told to us, a lot of incomplete narratives, and some narratives that are outright false.

So, what that comes down to, in today’s environment, which, when I say today’s environment, I’m basically talking about the X platform, because our whole world is now the X platform, except for those of us like yourself, who are young and strong and healthy and go out into the real world and get exercise and do all that kind of thing. But, for most of us, we’re sort of glued to our screens and we’re stuck in this imaginary world of X. And, in that world, we’re being told that the big, bad United States is the source of all evil in the world, or, if you’re in another subculture, that the Zionists or the Jews or Israel are the source of all evil in the world, or both, and that both must somehow be overcome and destroyed.
[45:15 minutes]

And so, I’m coming in there saying, I’m not sure if that’s true, in fact, I’m PRETTY sure that’s not true, and so I want to investigate and interrogate those narratives, to see where they came from, to see why people are saying that, and to see, you know, the old question of cui bono, who benefits from saying that?
[45:45 minutes]

Sean Stone: Richard, I have to go, I’m sorry. I don’t want to cut you off. I think you should stay on with Noor and continue, but I’m going to have to jump off.

Richard Poe: Okay. I’m sorry if I talked too much.

Sean Stone: No, it’s just like, I told you guys before, I have a hard out. I’m already five over, so I’m just going to jump and I’ll speak with you guys later, okay?

Noor Bin Ladin: Sean, it was great speaking with you. We’ll have to do this again sometime soon.

Sean Stone: Okay. Sounds good. Thank you.

Noor Bin Ladin: Thank you for coming.

[FADE OUT, FADE IN]

Noor Bin Ladin: I think what is really important and the reason why I wanted to bring the two of you together is because there aren’t so many people that are focusing on this British question, which is central to understanding the globalist power structure and how we got to the point where we are today, with the Great Reset, with the New World Order, with Build Back Better, however you want to call it.
[46:41 minutes]

The WEF, the World Economic Forum, is front and center today, and you very correctly pointed out earlier in the conversation, you know, a few years ago, nobody was really paying attention, nobody really cared. And now it appears to be that they are the front organization, at least, driving this push forward for global governance, for a one-world government.

But it traces back so much further, as we’ve been exploring in this conversation, and it has so many tentacles.

But there was something very important that you said, talking about banking and trade and the creation of debt, but, at the same time, this system whereby countries don’t have control over their economies anymore, and this is very much the globalist system, whereby all control is centralized, and the one thing that I wanted to add to what you were saying is that this is all about control of resources, of a nation’s resources.

And you were talking about predominantly the 19th Century and these trade wars between Britain and the US, but you fast forward to today, in 2024, the United States of America has been completely gutted from within, and your entire manufacturing has been destroyed, it has been shipped overseas to China. This was obviously by design.

And I do really think that the last almost 250 years, close to 250 years, we’re coming up to the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, has been about gutting America from within, and to make her a dependent nation, which is why I say often yes, of course, MAGA, Make America Great Again, but also, MAIA, Make America Independent Again. And I think this is what we need to be drawing attention to, is the fact that America is no longer, and hasn’t been an independent nation for a very, very long time, and it’s thanks to your work, and Sean’s work, with his book New World Order and his different documentaries, that we get to see that. And our education system has been completely captured. You mentioned that earlier, as well, in the conversation, precisely for that reason, for the American people to be severed from this understanding and this knowledge.
[49:41 minutes]

Richard Poe: Well, yes, I think that’s a great summary of the problem. And I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the issue today is the same as the issue was for our founding fathers, whether we have a right to be a manufacturing society, whether we can be allowed to manufacture.

It seems we’re being told, under the rules of the Great Reset, that we don’t have that right. And so it’s good to remind people that this was the issue 240 years ago, over which we fought the Revolution.

And, further, whether we have the right to regulate our trade in such a way that our wealth is not being constantly drained away into foreign countries. And this, of course, was the issue that President Trump spoke about, and tried to address with his tariffs.

So it’s not coincidental that we’re facing, strangely, the exact same issues over which the American Revolution was fought, and it’s impossible to explain that to people without first reeducating people about the Revolution itself, and about the other wars of independence, of which I say there were three. I mean, the Revolution, the War of 1812, and the Civil War.

And, so, teaching this to people, teaching what the real issues were, I think, and I hope, will allow people to understand what the issues are now, and to have a perspective, to realize that these are not new issues. They’re the same issues.

And there’s a reason why they’re the same issues, because the American System of economics that our Founding Fathers fought to establish is a system in which our country is not only politically independent, but economically self-sufficient…

Noor Bin Ladin: Exactly.

Richard Poe: …whereas the British System… Sorry?

Noor Bin Ladin: Exactly.

Richard Poe: Yes, and the British System, which we fought against, and which is still prevalent in the world today, more so than ever, the system that the British have always pushed for is what they call interdependence. And that means all countries should survive and subsist on overseas trade, on overseas supply chains, so that we cannot provide for ourselves.

In order to get all the basic things we need, we must trade with many other countries and trade all over the world. This is the British System.

Noor Bin Ladin: [unclear]

Richard Poe: From the beginning… I’m sorry.

Noor Bin Ladin: Yeah, no, I just wanted to bring up something. The audience will probably have heard me speak of this before because I mentioned it during my reporting in Davos, but there was actually a historian and very famous figure in American history, Henry Steele Commager, who was considered as the father of liber… libertar… I cannot say that word…

Richard Poe: Libertarianism. Yes.
[53:02 minutes]

Noor Bin Ladin: Thank you very much, Richard. He actually drafted a Declaration of INTER-dependence which was presented in 1976, on the occasion of the 200th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence in Philadelphia.

And it was signed by… hold on, I have it somewhere here… it was signed by many different congressmen and I have a few quotes as well, if you bear with me, because it’s important that Americans be aware of this information.

It was… hold on. I know that I have some quotes over here. This was from my preparation for Davos. Here it is. So it was written in 1975, but, again, presented in 1976. And here are a couple of quotes:

“Two centuries ago, our forefathers brought forth a new nation. Now we must join with others to bring forth a new world order. We affirm that the resources of the globe are finite, not infinite, that they are the heritage of no one nation or generation, but of all peoples, nations and of posterity, and that our deepest obligation is to transmit to that posterity a planet richer in material bounty, in beauty and in delight than we found it. Narrow notions of national sovereignty must not be permitted to curtail that obligation.”

And that’s exactly what you’re describing, and it goes further, also in terms of the economic interdependence in the declaration, but, for the audience, I mentioned in my Substack and comments that I was going to do a Substack post dedicated to that Declaration of Interdependence and it’s coming. It’s just that the more I research, the more rabbit holes I go into, and it’s actually going to be a slightly meatier article than just the republishing of that declaration, so bear with me. It’s coming.
[55:34 minutes]

Richard Poe: I look forward to that. That’s a very important subject, how such a document even came to be.

Noor Bin Ladin: Absolutely. That’s the question. But I think, if you look back, throughout the 20th century especially, there have been so many calls for the United States to join a world government or a new world order and, as we’ve discussed several times, in our various discussions, for the podcast, it started with the League of Nations, in terms of the first iteration for a federation or a world government, and we know that that didn’t succeed.

And they went on to create the United Nations after the Second World War. But these were very much plans that were drawn up behind closed doors. Both the wars and these institutions were planned behind closed doors, and, according to your research, and Sean’s research, it seems that a lot of these rooms are located in the UK, in London.
[56:53 minutes]

Richard Poe: Well, yes, that’s what I believe, and it’s a long, hard road to prove it, for me and others who are following this path.

And it’s a great joy and an honor to meet somebody like Sean who is exploring these same issues, or similar issues, and doing so with an Ivy League background, and with academic rigor. His book is, I don’t think it was published by an academic press, but, as you mentioned, it was his Princeton undergraduate thesis, or based upon it, and, having read it, it was very much, I would call it an academic book, in terms of its sourcing, and the rigor with which it was researched and written.

Noor Bin Ladin: Well…

Richard Poe: It’s too…

Noor Bin Ladin: If I may interject, I would say the exact same thing about your articles, Richard.

Richard Poe: Well, thank you. You’re very kind.

Noor Bin Ladin: But I really did want to bring the two of you together, considering that both your research overlaps so closely, and it’s a topic that is very important for the American people, and you know that it’s very close to my heart that America prevails and becomes independent once more, as we’ve been discussing. So any conversations around that that I can facilitate, I’m very happy if I can do that.

Richard Poe: Great.

Noor Bin Ladin: We’ll speak again soon.

Richard Poe: Okay. Thank you, Noor.

Noor Bin Ladin: Thank you, Richard. Bye.

Richard Poe: Bye-bye.

[58:51 minutes]

Richard Poe is a New York Times-bestselling author and award-winning journalist. He has written widely on business, science, history and politics. Poe’s best-known book is The Shadow Party, an exposé of George Soros and his color revolutions, co-written with David Horowitz. Poe is presently writing a history of globalism. His work can be found at richardpoe.substack.com, RichardPoe.com, and @RealRichardPoe.